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Mike Azariah The Scope Gallente Federation 3058	Posted - 2015.10.15 15:45:57 - [1] - Quote I am also against this. I could go into details but . . . this feels wrong to me. Against what I thought the game to be. m Mike Azariah Gö¼GöÇGöÇGö¼n++ ¯\|(pâä)/¯
Mike Azariah The Scope Gallente Federation 3083	Posted - 2015.10.15 18:08:08 - [2] - Quote For people quitting in protest I remind them that Operation Magic School Bus does accept donations to help out the new players. Yes, this is a 'can I haz' post but it is one where the material will be put to good use, not just lining a wallet or hanger. Contract to me if you wish to donate. m Mike Azariah Gö¼GöÇGöÇGö¼n++ ¯\|(pâä)/¯
Mike Azariah The Scope Gallente Federation 3083	Posted - 2015.10.15 18:20:16 - [3] - Quote Querns wrote: Nergart wrote: ....so how long before eve is free to play? i only ask so i can stop paying CCP any money? Eve is already free to play. I have only ever directly given CCP money once, for my initial 30 days of subscription time. After that, I have kept all my accounts going strictly from in-game isk. tsk, I expect better than that of you, Q You know that any plex has been paid for by somebody so your claim of free actually is 'I have other people to pay for it' m Mike Azariah Gö¼GöÇGöÇGö¼n++ ¯\|(pâä)/¯
Mike Azariah The Scope Gallente Federation 3127	Posted - 2015.10.16 17:29:44 - [4] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: to be honest eve-o is probably the most negative place about this change. reddit was pretty ok with it other than the odd few nay-sayers when the blog first appeared. . Funny, you don't have to be a paid subscriber to post in reddit. Here, you do. Folks who have old accts that they no longer play with may see this as an easier method to 'cash out' By Cash out, yes, I mean RMT. Of course they would be in favour of something that would allow them to get some of their money back out of the game. Strip an old character you no longer play with and see cold hard cash in return. I am not saying that all of reddit thinks that way but that there are ways to explain the difference in opinion across various forums. m Mike Azariah Gö¼GöÇGöÇGö¼n++ ¯\|(pâä)/¯
Mike Azariah The Scope Gallente Federation 3145	Posted - 2015.10.18 03:09:21 - [5] - Quote Sibyyl wrote: CSM folks who oppose the change, or anyone else who's against it. Can you point me to a cogent argument not using subjective buzzwords like "pay to win" why this change is bad? OK, I am still catching up, but you asked nicely. There have been a few constants in Eve. Real-time for skill training and industry was one of them. Oh you can buy the item/ship and jump ahead but someone played that real time price. Same goes for the Character Bazaar. You may not have paid the time but someone did, with plex or cold hard cash. So CCP is looking at replacing it and who loses? On the surface? Nobody. We strip older characters or farmed alts and use them to fuel the newer ones. No loss, just out with the old, supercharge the new. But that is the thing. 'Stripping the old' but do you honestly think most of the skill points will go to NEW players? That it will increase retention or just make more alts of the vets? Is an increase in subs really a good thing if a lot of them are brood mares existing only to have their brains harvested on a regular basis . . . full of +5's and never ever undocking into space? Will that give us more content? Or will it just be numbers on some ledger? Will new players coming in look and see the rich instaboosting themselves into better ships and leaving the normal subscription player behind in the dust? Would you play a game like that where it was obviously a game of haves and have-nots and you were probably one of the have-nots? Or would you pour your own money in and hope it was enough to keep up? I sit in Rookie Help Chat and listen to new players trying to figure out how to play for free. How to earn that 1.2 bill within 30 days. Those types, will they stay if I tell them that not only is it unlikely but that they will have to pay extra to be decent at the game. If they listen and do pay to be able to fly . . . say an incursion or a null rat ship . . . in the first week then they will be well on the road to playing for free, right? Since increased demand for those elusive PLEX will have no effect on the market. A lot of people are saying that this is fine since it will not effect them or maybe they can use it to rearrange their own skills, clean up that shameful mining V. I just hope they are very space rich or already used to paying subscriptions. I am in the latter category. I'll still be here but IF this goes through I will be a bit more bitter and somewhat disappointed with what the game has become. Pay to win? no, but what about Pay to keep up m Mike Azariah Gö¼GöÇGöÇGö¼n++ ¯\|(pâä)/¯
Mike Azariah The Scope Gallente Federation 3155	Posted - 2015.10.18 06:41:17 - [6] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: i'm kinda worried that you can't see that all of your issues already exist, mike. the issues you're expecting to see are already here, look around. Oh, I see them. But the thing is I do not condone additions that facilitate them on the premise that they already exist. I dislike the Character Bazaar so of course I will dislike the new TSP's as they are similar (not the same, though) That versions of something exist does not make me want to condone aids to making them easier. I could make a bunch of bad or offensive analogies at this point but I have only had a bit of gin, so no. I do not think Eve is fair, never have. But I do not like encouraging a divide based on wealth anymore than what already exists in the game. I don't have skin directly in this, I just topped 125 mill and I do not do 'alts'. This is not about me but about the perception of the game from outside, from people coming in and from those who might leave. Bottom line. Will this improve financials for CCP? Will it increase retention rate of new players. of old, will it sell well in the gaming media as a game that bills you monthly and then add micro transactions on top of that? If this sells well, does well in the market, then it will be a good idea. If not then it will be a bad decision. If it has no effect then it was a relative waste of dev time. m Mike Azariah Gö¼GöÇGöÇGö¼n++ ¯\|(pâä)/¯
Mike Azariah The Scope Gallente Federation 3177	Posted - 2015.10.18 22:19:37 - [7] - Quote General Lootit wrote: Mike, what personal reasone you have to dislike this idea? How it will affects you personally?[/quote] Actually I do not see how it affects me directly, if that is what you mean. But I tend to look beyond myself when considering changes to Eve. Kind of why I am on the CSM. Not just to feather my own nest. As I said in the long quote . . . it will change the dynamic and the flavour of the game. If sold or marketed incorrectly it WILL look like a money grab where it is a subscription game that also needs microtransactions to stay current. I spoke about this on Podside, last night, about the financial divide it may create between the poor and the rich. I was told the solution was not to be 'poor'. What about the divide between the casual and the hardcore? Mainly I am trying to figure out WHO this is for and who it benefits. any ideas? m Mike Azariah Gö¼GöÇGöÇGö¼n++ ¯\|(pâä)/¯
Mike Azariah The Scope Gallente Federation 3179	Posted - 2015.10.18 23:08:32 - [8] - Quote General Lootit wrote: Astroyka wrote: General Lootit wrote: Mike, what personal reasone you have to dislike this idea? How it will affects you personally? I really hope Mike is not speaking too much from personal opinion, he's a CSM and should be speaking from a wider viewpoint, which I believe he is. He definitely speaking for him selfe in that case Mike Azariah wrote: I dislike the Character Bazaar so of course I will dislike the new TSP's as they are similar (not the same, though) but most personal opinion(without any personal reason) I could read from him about this topic is Mike Azariah wrote: I am also against this. I could go into details but . . . this feels wrong to me. Against what I thought the game to be. I mix reactions between personal and looking out over all the game. Emotional ones are personal. The questions I have are more general and far reaching. The fears of PLEX going through the roof do not directly effect me as I do not plex. I am large, I contain multitudes . . . . m Mike Azariah Gö¼GöÇGöÇGö¼n++ ¯\|(pâä)/¯
Mike Azariah The Scope Gallente Federation 3181	Posted - 2015.10.18 23:16:26 - [9] - Quote Divine Entervention wrote: M must stand for manipulative cuz we all know you care for no one but yourself and image. Thank you thank you. On that note I am outa here and on an airplane to chat with players and devs and other people in Las Vegas. But since I am not running next year . . . why am I still doing all this, eh? m Mike Azariah Gö¼GöÇGöÇGö¼n++ ¯\|(pâä)/¯
Mike Azariah The Scope Gallente Federation 3197	Posted - 2015.10.21 08:04:18 - [10] - Quote Levi Belvar wrote: Rent 3 billion Right scum as were looking after you your also going to have to stump up 5 mill TSP a month < Extortion but still legal in EvE its a commodity now so as such not covered by anti scam Now that is an interesting thought, the character bazaar Is protected and monitored. Are you saying that this is so safe that it has no need of that? Anybody see any safety issues if it is NOT the same as the bazaar? Or are we all trustworthy enough that such safeties are not needed? m Mike Azariah Gö¼GöÇGöÇGö¼n++ ¯\|(pâä)/¯
Mike Azariah The Scope Gallente Federation 3198	Posted - 2015.10.23 00:16:05 - [11] - Quote Finally caught up. A few random thoughts for you. Share an account and now the person can do more than just steal your ship, you could log on the next time unable to even fly it. Customer service will have a whole new set of 'my little brother logged on and. . .' Eve is about living with the choices made. Has there been another instance in the game where you can actually erase the past? I don't mean buying a new alt but actually changing old choices. Removal of skills is Very different from just buying a farmed alt. I still say that there should be a cost in sp for the removal of the points that lessens with the sp total of the character so aa 5.5 million alt will be very inneficient relative to a 50 million sp character. Yes, it does favour the vets. Why not? There should be some perks for being old. I think a nice phasing in of the idea would be to start with the top's untradable and 'for personal use only' to see how common That would be prior to pushing it to full trade status. For me, the biggest thing is Still the appearance of the process from the outside. Will it look like a good deal or a cynical money grab from a company that already has a subscription based model and vanity item micro transactions. If the reputation of the game is 'Greed is Good' then that will impact the new player acquisition and retention. Yes, I worry about things like that. While I am not as fancy as Mr Epeen, m Mike Azariah Gö¼GöÇGöÇGö¼n++ ¯\|(pâä)/¯
Mike Azariah The Scope Gallente Federation 3303	Posted - 2016.01.18 21:38:31 - [12] - Quote Given that it is no longer in the 'explore' phase and into the 'gonna happen' I suggest this thread close and we shift to https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6283770#post6283770 instead m Mike Azariah Gö¼GöÇGöÇGö¼n++ ¯\|(pâä)/¯
Mike Azariah The Scope Gallente Federation 3398	Posted - 2016.02.14 17:34:32 - [13] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Yonis Kador wrote: Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Apparently the only way I'm finding to cope with this change is to no longer care about SP. I am who I am, have been playing this game since 2008. Albeit slowly.... I'm getting there. I got drunk, laid & took a 3 hr bath. Whaddayouknow? I'm feeling better. ... My plan is still: Vote for Xenuria Stop paying CCP Burn through my ISK ??? probably quit for an indefinite time. I i ran that plan I would manage to play for an extra 2 weeks m Mike Azariah Gö¼GöÇGöÇGö¼n++ ¯\|(pâä)/¯

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